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CILRAP Conversations on World Order

The CILRAP Conversations on World Order are a series of audio-visual conversations with leading international lawyers from around the world. The table below gives an overview of, and free access to, the conversations. The conversations are produced independently by CILRAP, which reserves all rights to the material. Users may freely link to the conversations by using the CILRAP URL of each film. These URLs are persistent (not subject to change), so you may safely use them in your citations.

Date Name Place Play
241202 Sergio Dellavalle Florence Play

Speaker: Professor Sergio Dellavalle (Professor of Public Law and State Theory at the University of Turin, Department of Law; Honorary Fellow of the Law School of Durham University; and Senior Research Affiliate of the Max Planck Institute of Comparative Public Law and International Law).
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘cosmopolitan law’, its origins and evolution; the idea of ‘paradigms of social order’; Stoic philosophers and their notion of cosmópolis; relationship with the Catholic idea of the respublica christiana; Immanuel Kant's and Hans Kelsen’s contributions; the perspective of the communicative paradigm of order; implications for the concept of sovereignty and the relation between national and international criminal law.
Date of recording: 26 September 2024
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Date of release: 2 December 2024
Duration of recording: 01:23:50
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240926-dellavalle/
PURL of TOAEP policy brief by speaker: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/159-dellavalle/ 
PURL of TOAEP occasional paper by speaker: http://www.toaep.org/ops-pdf/16-dellavalle/ 
PURL of relevant TOAEP book: https://www.toaep.org/ps-pdf/36-bergsmo-buis-song/

240412 Benjamin P. Davis Florence Play

Speaker: Dr. Benjamin P. Davis (Saint Louis University)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on his 2023 monograph Choose Your Bearing: Édouard Glissant, Human Rights and Decolonial Ethics; whether emphasising 'European colonialism' as opposed to slave-economies and settler-societies is problematic; Glissant's idea of a 'right to opacity'; advantages and risks of dwelling on 'colonial wrongs'; international law and post-colonial discourse
Date of recording: 12 April 2024
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Duration of recording: 01:23:25
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240412-davis/
PURL of relevant TOAEP book: https://www.toaep.org/ps-pdf/40-bergsmo-kaleck-kyaw/ 
PURL of relevant TOAEP policy brief: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/140-castellino/ 
PURL of related Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240217-ramcharan/ 
URL of JPR note on Davis' Choose Your Bearing: https://www.prio.org/journals/jpr/booknotes/393 

240217 Bertrand Ramcharan Florence Play

Speaker: Dr. Bertrand Ramcharan (formerly acting UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and Director of the International Conference on the Former Yugoslavia)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on the UN human rights programme, Torkel Opsahl, Samuel Moyn, UN peace mediation through ICFY, Srebrenica, Thorvald Stoltenberg, the International Law Commission, UK mass-migration of indentured workers, and the use of historical commissions
Date of recording: 17 February 2024
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Duration of recording: 02:05:00
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240217-ramcharan/
PURL of Amb. Nylander's Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/220427-nylander/ 
PURL of Amb. Vibe's Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240216-vibe/

240216 Johan Vibe Florence Play

Speaker: Ambassador Johan Vibe (Norwegian Ambassador to Italy)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on diplomacy, peace mediation and facilitation, and the role of lawyers
Date of recording: 16 February 2024
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Duration of recording: 00:43:09
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240216-vibe/
PURL of Amb. Nylander's Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/220427-nylander/ 
PURL of Dr. Ramcharan's Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240217-ramcharan/

221003 Sarah M.H. Nouwen Florence Play

Speaker: Professor Sarah M.H. Nouwen (European University Institute)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘positive complementarity’, its political and legal aspects and normative and practical significance; the politics of extraversion; positive complementarity as a policy beyond the ICC Statute; states as beneficiaries and participants; the assumption of Western and international justice superiority; the ILA Report on positive complementarity; the different meanings of ‘complementarity’, ‘positive complementarity’, and ‘a positive approach to complementarity’; obstacles in implementation; conflicts of interests between international and national mechanisms; and the paradox of the ICC’s implementation of positive complementarity.
Date of recording: 3 October 2022
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Duration of recording: 01:09:06
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/221003-nouwen/
PURL of ILA report: https://www.legal-tools.org/doc/vqvrwy/ 
PURL of ILA resolution: https://www.legal-tools.org/doc/cfwjzm/
PURL of related book on ‘positive complementarity’: https://www.toaep.org/ps-pdf/8-bergsmo
PURL of relevant policy brief: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/114-bergsmo/
PURL of related Bekou Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/180608-bekou
PURL of related Nylander Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/220427-nylander

220427 Dag Halvor Nylander Oslo Play

Speaker: Ambassador Dag Halvor Nylander (Director, Norwegian Centre for Conflict Resolution (NOREF))
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘peace mediation’; the importance of negotiations being party-driven; realism as an essential characteristic of mediators; the need to reward country specialisation among mediators; the non-durability of peace without justice; the Colombia-FARC peace negotiation process and the work of the Special Jurisdiction for Peace; co-operation between lawyers and peace mediators; inequality of arms between parties and the need for capacity building; foreign experts as catalysts; how social media and misinformation influence party behaviour.
Date of recording: 27 April 2022
Place of recording: Oslo
Duration of recording: 00:27:33
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/220427-nylander/
PURL of Dr. Ramcharan's Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240217-ramcharan/ 
PURL of Amb. Vibe's Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/240216-vibe/
PURL of related book on law in peace negotiations: https://www.toaep.org/ps-pdf/5-bergsmo-kalmanovitz-second
PURL of related policy brief by Bergsmo: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/149-bergsmo/
PURL of related expert meeting: https://www.cilrap.org/events/240216-mediation

210616 Roberto Bellelli Florence Play

Speaker: Judge Roberto Bellelli (President, Military Tribunal for Sentence Enforcement, Rome)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘international criminal justice institutions’; state supervision and management of such institutions; politics of securing state budgets; the potential role of national prosecutors and judges in nominating international judges and high officials; the concept of a ‘world order’; legality as a driving factor in state policy decisions; ICL as a weapon in state rivalries; political sovereignty; role of national actors in international accountability; lessons from national jurisdictions on preservation of evidence and dealing with old evidence; military justice systems; need for professionalism in international criminal justice; and the mid- and long-term prospects.
Date of recording: 16 June 2021
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Duration of recording: 01:42:32
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/210616-bellelli/
PURL of related Nouwen Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/221003-nouwen
PURL of policy brief on ICC State-Party governance: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/146-governance/

200802 Gregory S. Gordon Florence Play

Speaker: Professor Gregory S. Gordon (Chinese University of Hong Kong)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on experiences as a legal educator in Hong Kong; lessons for international law from Covid-19; Foucault’s ‘governmentality’ and international criminal law as population security from social pandemics; atrocity speech law; hate speech as a precursor to mass atrocity; and the role of different actors in combating hate speech.
Date of recording: 2 August 2020
Place of recording: CILRAP Bottega, Florence
Duration of recording: 01:37:16
PURL: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/200802-gordon/
PURL of related book: https://www.toaep.org/ps-pdf/41-bergsmo-manocha/
PURL of related policy brief: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/149-bergsmo/
PURL of Gordon lecture: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/180512-gordon/

190612 Claus Kreß Florence Play

Speaker: Professor Claus Kreß (University of Cologne)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘international legal order’, and its difference with ‘world order’; international criminal law as the ius puniendi of the civitas maxima; the hegemonic objection to the idea of an ‘international community’; expressivism as the primary function of international criminal law; victim participation and national reconciliation as a collateral function; the significance of the crime of aggression under the ICC Statute; the ‘humanitarian intervention’ exception to use of force; states’ ‘responsibility to protect’ and making Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter more effective; restrictions on exercising veto in the Security Council; the role of the General Assembly; the United Nations’ armed contingents; a European Union defence force; the role of emerging powers like China and India in the evolution of the international legal order; and a European responsibility to reducing asymmetries in international law.
Date of recording: 12 June 2019
Place of recording: Florence 
Duration of recording: 2:40:26
PURL of film: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190612-kress/
PURL of related occasional paper: https://www.toaep.org/ops-pdf/13-kress/
PURL of Singh Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170823-singh/

190221 David Re New Delhi Play

Speaker: Judge David Re (Special Tribunal for Lebanon)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘international and national criminal justice systems’; main contributions of international criminal justice; differences between the Nuremberg and contemporary justice processes; possibilities for improvement; differences between national and international justice institutions and bureaucracies; the leading role of national or hybrid criminal justice systems; judgment-writing practices; the role of the prosecution and defence in distilling evidence; the importance of cataloguing evidence; and interdisciplinary approaches to reviewing evidence.
Date of recording: 21 February 2019
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 58:53
PURL of film: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-re/
PURL of Judge Baragwanath Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170824-baragwanath/
PURL of Judge Lokur Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-lokur/

190221 Gilbert Bitti New Delhi Play

Speaker: Justice Gilbert Bitti (Judge, Kosovo Specialist Chambers; at the time of recording, he was Senior Legal Adviser, ICC Pre-Trial Division (speaking in his personal capacity))
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on victim participation in international criminal justice, and why it is important; inadequacies of victim outreach; risk of exploitation by other actors in the justice process; managing victim expectations; the need, processes and risks of reparations in international criminal justice; the interplay of differences between civil and criminal law at trial; the successes and the failures of the International Criminal Court; reforms in the election and appointment of the highest officials of the Court; and issues arising from a lack of streamlining of charges presented before the Court.
Date of recording: 21 February 2019
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 42:45
PURL of film: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-bitti/ 
PURL of Judge Greve Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170429-greve/
PURL of Judge Perrin de Brichambaut Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170520-perrin-de-brichambaut/
PURL of Judge Baragwanath Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170824-baragwanath/
PURL of Judge Lokur Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-lokur/
PURL of Judge Bitti Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-bitti/
PURL of Judge Bellelli Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/210616-bellelli/

190221 Casten Stahn New Delhi Play

Speaker: Professor Carsten Stahn (Leiden University)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order focusing on ‘inclusivity in the global order’; critical perspectives on ‘internationalism’ and ‘cosmopolitanism’; transnational legal processes as backstops for international law; lessons from cultural plurality and relativism; the powerful-weak state dichotomy; contributions of international criminal law to ‘world order’; the state of European capacity engagement with non-Western states; the role of intellectuals in broadening ownership in developing international law; Indian contributions to international criminal justice; and methods to increase inclusivity in the development of international criminal law.
Date of recording: 21 February 2019
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 38:41
PURL of film: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-stahn/ 
PURL of related policy brief: https://www.toaep.org/pbs-pdf/131-stahn/
PURL of Kreß Conversation: https://www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190612-kress/

190221 Madan B. Lokur New Delhi Play

Speaker: Justice Madan B. Lokur (former Judge, Supreme Court of India)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 21 February 2019
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 57:41
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-lokur/ 

190221 Usha Tandon New Delhi Play

Speaker: Professor Usha Tandon (Professor-in-Charge (dean), Campus Law Centre, Delhi University)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 21 February 2019
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 01:20:38
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/190221-tandon/ 

180608 Olympia Bekou Florence Play

Speaker: Professor Olympia Bekou (The University of Nottingham; CILRAP Research Fellow)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 8 June 2018
Place of recording: Florence 
Duration of recording: 41:53
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/180608-bekou/

180605 Rolf Einar Fife Florence Play

Speaker: Ambassador Rolf Einar Fife (Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 5 June 2018
Place of recording: Florence 
Duration of recording: 01:11:30
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/180605-fife/

170824 William David Baragwanath New Delhi Play

Speaker: Sir William David Baragwanath (Judge and former President, Special Tribunal for Lebanon)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 24 August 2017
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 01:01:20
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170824-baragwanath/

170824 Colin Gonsalves New Delhi Play

Speaker: Colin Gonsalves (Senior Advocate, Supreme Court of India; Founder, Human Rights Law Network)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 24 August 2017
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 57:50
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170824-gonsalves/

170823 Narinder Singh New Delhi Play

Speaker: Ambassador Narinder Singh (formerly, Chair, International Law Commission; Legal Adviser, Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 23 August 2017
Place of recording: New Delhi 
Duration of recording: 44:58
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170823-singh/

170617 James Silk Florence Play

Speaker: Professor James Silk (Yale Law School)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 17 June 2017
Place of recording: Florence 
Duration of recording: 01:08:22
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170617-silk/

170614 John Dugard The Hague Play

Speaker: Judge John Dugard (International Court of Justice)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 14 June 2017
Place of recording: Historical Reading Room, Peace Palace, The Hague
Duration of recording: 55:51
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170614-dugard/

170527 Christopher B. Mahony Beijing Play

Speaker: Dr. Christopher B. Mahony (The World Bank; CILRAP Research Fellow)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 27 May 2017
Place of recording: Beijing 
Duration of recording: 57:21
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170527-mahony/

170520 Marc Perrin de Brichambaut Beijing Play

Speaker: Judge Marc Perrin de Brichambaut (International Criminal Court; formerly, Secretary-General, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 20 May 2017
Place of recording: Peking University, Beijing  
Duration of recording: 50:05
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170520-perrin-de-brichambaut/

170429 Hanne Sophie Greve Nuremberg Play

Speaker: Judge Hanne Sophie Greve (Gulating Court of Appeal; formerly, European Court of Human Rights)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 29 April 2017
Place of recording: Nuremberg, Palace of Justice, Courtroom 600 
Duration of recording: 30:25
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170429-greve/

170408 Wolfgang Kaleck Florence Play

Speaker: Secretary-General Wolfgang Kaleck (European Centre for Constitutional and Human Rights)
Topic: A CILRAP Conversation on World Order
Date of recording: 8 April 2017
Place of recording: Florence 
Duration of recording: 01:16:49
PURL of film: www.cilrap.org/cilrap-film/170408-kaleck/

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